Re: RARA-AVIS: Noir definition

From: Kerry J. Schooley (
Date: 25 Aug 2004

At 10:07 PM 23/08/2004 -0700, you wrote:

>I thought it might engender a chuckle or two ("Oh that
>Doherty; he's at it, again"), but I didn't really
>expect it to generate another discussion, and I've
>been staying out of the current one because I want to
>save my best stuff for Bouchercon.
>However, I don't want anyone to think that I've beome
>suddenly acquiescent simply because I've been silent.
>So I'll say this once and then wait for Toronto.

Oh that Doherty; he certainly is tough, sticking to his guns whatever criticism comes his way, but is he colloquial enough to be hard boiled?

>The term, as has been discussed here before, was
>coined by Marcel Duhamel, when he was assigned to
>develop a mystery line, which he called SERIE NOIR,
>for the French publisher Gallimard. As the guy who
>coined the term, he's the guy who set the parameters,
>and the parameters he set were pretty wide.

Then we shall make history with a shiny new definition for noir, one as screwed as a passenger on a romantic roller-coaster ride. We shall declare it "The Toronto Manifesto!"

>Simple, really.

Ah, but we are a simple people.

Gird your loins. Kerry

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