Here's one of the irregular reposts of the list charter.
Don't forget point 1, which says that everything's got to be
tied to the written word.
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| It was about eleven o'clock in the morning, mid October,
| sun not shining and a look of hard wet rain in the clearness of the
| foothills. I was wearing my powder-blue suit, with dark blue shirt, tie
| and display handkerchief, black brogues, black wool socks with dark blue
| clocks on them. I was neat, clean, shaved and sober, and I didn't care
| who knew it. I was everything the well-dressed private detective ought to
| be. I was calling on four million dollars.
- opening lines to THE BIG SLEEP, by Raymond Chandler
| "How c-could you?" she gasped.
| I only had a moment before talking to a corpse, but I got it in.
| "It was easy," I said.
- closing lines to I, THE JURY, by Mickey Spillane
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