JIM DOHERTY wrote:
<snip>
> "Hard-boiled" is about attitude. "Noir" is
about
> atmosphere. Neither one is about a particular
world
> view.
>
> That which is tough and colloquial is
hard-boiled.
>
> That which is dark and sinister is noir.
>
> That which is tough and colloquial, and dark
and
> sinister is both hard-boiled and noir.
I hate to drag this up again too but I feel pretty dragged
up.
For the record, Jim's opinion is in no way a consensus view.
There does not seem to be a consensus view on HB/noir. The
way I see it, your noir will always come from the side of the
loser/doomed/fuck-up. HB is from the POV of the essentially
righteous tough guy, or whatever. (OK, "tough and colloquial"
if you like).
So Geir, I agree with you that we're discussing literature
with fundamentally different views of life.
Charlie.
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