----- Original Message ----- From: "Geir Glosvik" <
gglosvik@online.no>
> This list is supposed to welcome discussions of
both
> hardboiled/PI/police fiction AND noir fiction. I've
been thinking about
> the very different views of life that these writers
depict. Lately,
> we've discussed the difference between Chandler and
Hammmet. Not much
> difference there - except in style. But try to
compare the PI-novels -
> where something is wrong and the PI corrects the
wrong and everybody's
> happy in the end - with the Goodis/McCoy/Thompson
view of life. These
> ways of writing - these problems that are described
- and the solutions
> to the problems, they are so very different! I'm not
saying anything's
> wrong, anybody can discuss anything, but don't you
agree that we're
> discussing literature with fundamentally different
views of life on this
> list?
Geir, I'm more inclined to surmise that the distinction isn't
whether a writer is hardboiled or noir, but whether he writes
from the viewpoint of the criminal (crime fiction) or
detective (detective fiction). Crime fiction is often (but
not exclusively, Jim) noir and detective fiction is often
(but not exclusively, Jim) hardboiled. But, regardless of the
noir/hardboiled aspect, crime fiction is the opposite of
detective fiction and is thus, as you point out,
fundamentally different.
Al
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