From: Jesse Willis (
Date: 04 Dec 2003

A useful if not completely unbiased list of the differences between the Ancient Greek/Early Roman morality I was talking about can be found in Nietzsche's examination of the "Master/Slave" morality.

Nietzsche argued that Christianity was a reaction to the "master morality", which was the morality of the Greeks and later the Romans. He argued that in order to subvert the master, as any slave would likely want to do, one had to overturn the values that lead to their enslavement. Thus compare the virtues of the ancient Greeks and the early Romans with the values Christianity professes:


Resentful Expresses anger directly
-passive agressive like:
'I'll pray for you're soul.'

Other-directed Self-directed
-Read these commandments -Dare to fight the gods! and obey them. -Sumbit to me or die.

Other-worldly This-worldly
-Our reward is in heaven. -Life is all there is.
-And punishment for -Fight for all you can. the masters in hell.

Humble (meek) Proud (not vain)
-The meek shall inherit -I am a man hear me roar! the earth.

Altruistic Egoistic
-Service to others. -Serve me, you slave!

Democratic Aristocratic
-One man one vote. -By my class I rule.

Confessional Discrete (masked)
-Confess your sins. -Hide your weaknesses.

Morality of principles Morality of persons
-Read this list of -I do what I want, you do commandments and follow it. what you want.

Have fun with the Odyssey!



--- Michael Robison <> wrote:
> I finished THE ILIAD at lunch today and was
> impressed
> with it. Your comments about the difference between
> the Greek and Christian outlook kept me thinking
> throughout the book. Homer's characters are not
> Greek
> ideals, so it was hard for me at times to
> differentiate between character flaws which Homer
> had
> no problem leaving unresolving and characteristics
> he
> found totally acceptable. Some interesting insights
> came out of it, especially in the parallels between
> Greek and Christian thought. It came to me that all
> people need to find some comfort, some
> justification,
> some juicy morsel to snatch from death's icy grip.
> Christians can get a lot. They can die as martyrs
> and
> then go to heaven. The Greeks, like you stated, all
> go to Hades, so they are limited to kicking some
> serious ass, going out in a blaze of glory, and
> living
> on in the memories of others. The first battle is
> for
> land. The last is for myth.
> The I.A. Richards version I have was very readable
> and
> smooth. The short summaries of a couple of the
> books
> that were left out made me wish he had included
> them.
> On to THE ODYSSEY now, then Virgil.
> miker

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