Re your question below:
> OK, but the problem about adding in
> > any B&W crime (suspense, mystery, detective,
> > call it what you will) film
> which - by the way - I would happily accept, is that
> it does imply an
> essential plot element which somebody or other was
> arguing fervently
> against a few digests ago.
I spoke to this point a few posts ago, but, when this
discussion first began, I said that film noir was (and now
I'm quoting from memory ". . . a crime film with a particular
visual style." From that point on, I thought "crime film" was
Moreover, given the general subject of this list,
"crime film" would seem to be implicit.
When I resisted the notion that "content" was an essential
component, it was in the sense that there was such a thing as
a "noir" story or script that would always (if actually
produced) be a FILM noir regardless of the visual
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