Re: RARA-AVIS: In defense of "Screwed"

From: Al Guthrie (
Date: 17 Feb 2003

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bludis Jack" <>

> "Doomed" doesn't work, because if we are at the
> base of a damn when it breaks, we are doomed --
> nothing noir about that.

You're also screwed.

> After thining about the subject off and on for
> several years now, I conclude that most
> private-eye novels are not noir because the
> private-eye generally comes out on top, although
> most of the ones in old black-and-white film are
> "film noir."

I agree, with the following exception: novels featuring psychologically damaged PIs (Scudder, Hammer, Dave Z's Johnny Lane) are noir.

> Whether we agree or not, it seems to me, from
> what I see on this list that we all generally
> like the same kind of books no matter what we tag
> them.

Yes, although I suspect a lot of us have a preference for either hardboiled or noir.


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