Rene said: Don't blame miker, that was me.
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that carrie girl... she's always on my ass. of course, i
don't see her sparing anybody else's, either. ;-)
i'm not wore out on this hero discussion yet. i had kind of
implied that until hardboiled came along, the hero was all
noble and pure and not a bad guy at all. and rene, you were
right on target when you mentioned that this wasn't right,
and used the odyssey and illiad as examples.
so i started thinking about when, if ever, the hero ideal
turned into a true dudley dooright. i know you mentioned
christianity, but the heroes of the bible, if any, sure
weren't model citizens. the farthest back i can put a finger
on this kind of hero ideal is the concept of chiv- alry,
which evolved during the medieval period, but because of a
breakdown in author/publisher negotiations, didn't show up in
literature until the 14th (_sir gawain and the green knight_)
and 15th (_le morte d'arthur_) centuries.
darn, i'm starting to feel like a scholar. pass me another
one of those longneck fosters, would ya, rene.
miker
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