Re: RARA-AVIS: Hard-boiled about definitions

From: Ray Skirsky (
Date: 29 Apr 2002

At 04:52 PM 4/27/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Don't get me wrong. I can be as arbitrary as the next guy. I don't think of
>Batman as "hard-boiled" because I consider comic-book super heroes as some
>other category. It has nothing to do with his upbringing or his speech
>pattern. I guess it's something about batmobiles and everybody dressing up
>in masks and tights that make me view such a character as not in the same
>category as Spade and Marlowe.

While I consider Batman hard-boiled (and noir), one of MY defining characteristics of hard-boiled is that you could drop this guy into a bucket-of-blood roadhouse and he'd be at home. He wouldn't have to be a drunk, or even drink, but he would know how to act and what not to say. That's why (in my opinion) Matt Helm is hard-boiled and James Bond is not. Bond is a gentleman adventurer.

For female characters, it's a little tougher to figure out.


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