hi charlie,
sorry for the misunderstanding. after reading the sentence
again, i see perfectly what you meant.
and i guess the thread involving definition of hard- boiled
(and noir) is getting on some people's nerves, and i'm sorry
for that. but i came to this group thru a "mysteries" link,
and didn't have a clue as to what the hardboiled genre was,
so i'm naturally interested in its definition, and don't
consider an in-depth discussion of it to be trivial or
meaning- less.
i appreciate jim doherty's and everybody else's even- headed
discussion.
miker
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miker wrote
>[Charlie wrote:] "...I think a noir novel can contain
no hardboiled
characters."
Hmm, looking at that again I think I could have expressed it
a bit better. What I meant was it is possible for a noir
novel to contain no HB characters. I didn't mean to suggest
any kind of mutually exclusive thing going on there.
I also agree with the poster who said this argument is
meaningless. But like he also says, it's just a game. And
even if thrashing out the terminology proves fruitless, at
least it gets us to look at the texts more closely.
What else was I going to say? Oh yeah... As well as being
dark and sinister in ambience, I think for a novel to be noir
it must exhibit a streak of fatalism.
Charlie Williams
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