Anthony wrote:
> At best there's a co-credit. The stories come from
here, the actors
come
> from here, etc. Direction is only one part of it.
Did directors do
that
> back then? Today, it's the art director that's
responsible for the
> atmosphere/look.
>
> If influence is going to be enough for credit we're
going to have to
go
> back before film existed to find the
source.
>
I didn't mean to imply that film noir was invented by
Europeans, just that Europeans were responsible for a very
large part of what has come to be known as the film noir look
(which of course was far from universal, as evidenced by
films such as THE MALTESE FALCON & at least one or two
colour films noir for example) - which is something that
isn't disputed by anyone, as far as I know. Naturally, there
were many other influences such as US hardboiled fiction
& as you've pointed out most of the actors, etc were
Americans - I wasn't trying to steal film noir away from it's
rightful home, honest. Sure, film is a collaborative thing so
it's not just the director but many of the film technicians
of the time were also refugees from Nazi terror & the
turbulent times in the Europe of the day.
>I don't see much of a difference between Lee Marvin
and Mel Gibson
other than age, but then Mel's role as Mad Max is how I was
introduced to the actor>
Of course, it's purely a subjective thing about my not
finding Gibbo to be a convincing tough guy. I'll just say
that if I was in a bar and either of these 2 guys were there
in a drunk & surly mood I would put some space between
us. In Mel's case,because I would with anyone in the same
situation, it's just common sense. In Lee's case, I'd feel
like it was an act of self-preservation. (OK, I confess. I'm
not a very hardboiled guy. I'd certainly watch your back in
dangerous alley ways but I probably wouldn't do you much
good. We'd both be better off not going into the alleyway
unless your name is Mouse.)
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