RE: RARA-AVIS: Hardboiled Character Traits

From: Anthony Dauer (
Date: 28 Apr 2002

Then it's a moral quality that a character needs to be hardboiled in my book. Whether they're good or bad.

I have no problem with characters such as Coyle existing, I just disagree that he's hardboiled. He doesn't have the strength of character to be hardboiled.

I don't see much of a difference between Lee Marvin and Mel Gibson other than age, but then Mel's role as Mad Max is how I was introduced to the actor.

Anthony Dauer
Alexandria, Virginia

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-----Original Message----- From: Rene Ribic Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 9:08 PM
Well, yeah, loyalty I do think of as being a moral quality. I have no desire to defend Coyle as a person (he is, for starters, a fictional character) & even less desire to defend his hardboiled status. I would like to know, however, does your disapproval of Coyle mean that you think he's not worth writing about or reading about either? And does it mean that you disliked the book? (Or the movie?) (And purely as a matter of personal opinion, I find it hard to imagine Mel Gibson as hardboiled no matter who he's playing. I don't find him convincingly tough or hardboiled in the way that I do Lee Marvin, for example).

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