Re: RARA-AVIS: Hardboiled Character Traits

From: Rene Ribic (
Date: 27 Apr 2002

Anthony wrote:

> Eddie Coyle isn't hardboiled though, he's a scumbag ... he got what he
> deserved. He wasn't a standup guy and for a criminal to be hardboiled
> he'd have to have the same dogged level of loyalty to his own that the
> good guy shows by never backing down when it comes to his clients
> whether alive or dead as the case maybe.

So being hardboiled is now a moral quality? I'm sorry folks but the more I read everyone's personal spin on "hardboiled" & "noir" the better Jim D's definitions look to me. It may be easy to poke holes through but so is every definition (e.g. the definition of life that was being used when I was going to school most definitely excluded viruses but if they aren't living organisms what are they?). Who were the original hardboiled authors & why were they labelled as such? "Tough & colloquial" looks pretty right to me. When we start including moral viewpoints as part of the definition it seems to me we're headed for swampland, metaphorically speaking.


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