Thank you all for the excellent suggestions. Mark S., your
LOOPHOLE suggestion was so fascinating, I tracked down Robert
Pollock's e-mail address, and he responded right away,
agreeing to do a quick Q&A for the book. (With his
permission, I'll share his answers on this list. I'm
especially curious if it's true that he purchased plans from
a retired jugmarker.)
I had forgotten about THIEVES LIKE US; it was sitting right
behind me on my bookshelf. And I didn't realize that HELL
HATH NO FURY involved bank robberies.
Once again, thanks.
--Duane Swierczynski
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> RARA-AVIS: answers to big question
> Re: RARA-AVIS: answers to big
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> Re: RARA-AVIS: answers to big
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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:41:48 -0500
> From: Duane Swierczynski <
duane.swier@verizon.net>
> Subject: RARA-AVIS: Re: RARA-AVIS HB bank
robberies
>
> Once again, I slip out of lurkdom to pick the brains
of my fellow Rara-Avians.
> I'm working on a history of bank robbery in America
for Alpha Books (titled THIS
> HERE'S A STICK-UP), and I'm including a short
chapter on fiction's preeminent
> heister, Parker--as well as his lesser-known cousin,
Earl Drake.
>
> I'm also putting together a sidebar listing
hardboiled books that involve bank
> heists. Here's what I've come up with so
far:
>
> Blood Money, by Dashiell Hammett.
> The Big Caper, by Lionel White
> The Getaway, by Jim Thompson
> The Devil Wears Wings, by Harry
Whittington
> The Out is Death, and One Endless Hour by Dan J.
Marlowe
> Bank Shot, by Donald Westlake (not exactly HB, but
I'll take it)
> Roses are Red, by James Patterson
> The Judgement of Deke Hunter, by George V.
Higgins
> Out of Sight, by Elmore Leonard
>
> Can anyone recall any others?
>
> Best,
>
> Duane Swierczynski
>
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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:33:35 -0800
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> From: Etienne Borgers <
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> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: RARA-AVIS HB bank
robberies
>
> >From a first scanning, you could add:
>
> Hammett: RED HARVEST - bank robbery as a side-plot
of
> the main story
>
> Charles Williams: HELL HATH NO FURY
>
> William L. Heat: VIOLENT SATURDAY
>
> Robert O. Saber: WAKE UP AND SCREAM
>
> William P. Mc Givern: ODDS AGAINST
TOMORROW
>
> Hope this helps
>
> E.Borgers
> Hard-boiled Mysteries
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens6384
>
> - --- Duane Swierczynski <
duane.swier@verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm also putting together a sidebar
listing
> > hardboiled books that involve bank
> > heists. Here's what I've come up with so
far:
> >
> > Blood Money, by Dashiell Hammett.
> > The Big Caper, by Lionel White
> > The Getaway, by Jim Thompson
> > The Devil Wears Wings, by Harry
Whittington
> > The Out is Death, and One Endless Hour by Dan
J.
> > Marlowe
> > Bank Shot, by Donald Westlake (not exactly HB,
but
> > I'll take it)
> > Roses are Red, by James Patterson
> > The Judgement of Deke Hunter, by George V.
Higgins
> > Out of Sight, by Elmore Leonard
> >
> > Can anyone recall any others?
> >
>
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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:54:46 +0100
> From: "Luca Conti" <
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> Subject: RE: RARA-AVIS: Re: RARA-AVIS HB bank
robberies
>
> Three more:
>
> Let's Hear It for the Deaf Man, by Ed
McBain
> Cop Out, by Ellery Queen
> Case of the Cop's Wife, by Milton K. Ozaki (Robert
O. Saber)
>
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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:37:49 -0500
(EST)
> From:
DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net (Mark Sullivan)
> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: RARA-AVIS HB bank
robberies
>
> It's not a major part of the book, but don't they
hit a bank in Edward
> Bunker's No Beast So Fierce (AKA Straight
Time)?
>
> Loophole by Robert Pollock -- they dig up from the
sewers below on a
> holiday weekend. There were a string of similar bank
robberies
> throughout Europe as it was translated into each
country's language.
> There was even an article in Time (maybe Newsweek)
about these copycat
> capers, circa late-70s, early '80s. The author
claimed the book was so
> realistic because he bought the plans off a retired
criminal who was too
> old to pull the caper. I've seen a similar plot in a
few movies (Sexy
> Beast, a recent one by Ringo Lam). I think Loophole
was even made into
> a movie, but I never saw it.
>
> I'm not sure which one (and I don't feel like
getting up to find the box
> it's in), but one of Garry Disher's Wyatt novels
(very good series about
> an Australian version of Parker, by the way) uses
the taking the bank
> manager's family hostage trick.
>
> Mark
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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:28:28 -0600
> From: "M Blumenthal" <
blumenidiot@21stcentury.net>
> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: RARA-AVIS HB bank
robberies
>
> Duane Swierczynski
>
> I'm working on a history of bank robbery in America
and I'm including a
> short chapter on fiction's preeminent > heister,
Parker--as well as his
> lesser-known cousin, Earl Drake.
> >
> > Can anyone recall any others?
>
> Duane,
> Offhand, George V Higgins' first and probably best
book, Friends of Eddie
> Coyle, has a gang pulling off a series of bank
robberies. If you want to
> include Parker's Australian younger brother, Wyatt,
how about Gary Disher's
> Deathdeal?
> Mark
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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:42:54 -0600
> From: "M Blumenthal" <
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> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: RARA-AVIS HB bank
robberies
>
> Mark Sullivan:
> >
> > Loophole by Robert Pollock -- they dig up from
the sewers below on a
> > holiday weekend. >
>
> Connelley's Black Echo has a similar
robbery.
> Mark-
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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:13:45 -0600
> From: "William Hagen" <
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> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: RARA-AVIS HB bank
robberies
>
> Don't forget Edward Anderson's 1937 classic, Thieves
Like Us:
>
> "I get a kick out of robbing banks," Bowie said. "I
don't mind admittin'
> it."
>
> Bill Hagen
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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:54:30 -0600
> From: "Forstater, Mathew" <
ForstaterM@umkc.edu>
> Subject: RARA-AVIS: answers to big
question
>
> since I asked about recommendations of more recent
authors for someone who has read all of the 'classic' stuff,
I thought I would let you know what I went ahead and did and
what I thought.
>
> I picked up the first Richard Stark, liked it a lot,
and just went and picked up the second. i imagine I will
breeze through the series.
>
> I picked up the first of George Pelaconos' Nick
Stefano trilogy and loved it. I just picked up the second one
and imagine I will read anything and everything i can get my
hands on by this author. (Thanks Mr. P!). Besides being great
books Nick is also pretty much my generation, so all the
musical refs etc are meaningful. I have also spent time in
the D.C. area and environs.
>
> I also picked up Eric Ambler's Coffin for
Dimitrious, and that's pretty good too.
>
> I am looking for the Blue Dhalia, will try that out
when I find that.
>
> Also picked up Who Killed Palomino Molero? by Mario
Vargas Llosa. I'll let you know.
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll probably get to
the Lansdale, Rankin, Hiassen eventually.
>
> Mat
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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:00:27 -0500
(EST)
> From:
DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net (Mark Sullivan)
> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: answers to big
question-Dahlia
>
> Mat wrote:
>
> "I am looking for the Blue Dhalia, will try that out
when I find that."
>
> I'm guessing you mean Ellroy's Black Dahlia, not
Chandler's script for
> Blue Dahlia?
>
> This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to
ask. I had always
> assumed that the movie (Blue) took its name from the
real life murder
> (Black), but I finally realized that they occurred
in the opposite
> order. I know Elizabeth Short always wore black, but
was her posthumous
> pseudonym a reference to the movie?
>
> And it's been a while since I've seen the movie or
read the script, was
> it ever explained what it had to do with a flower?
Are both Dahlias
> referencing something else I don't know
about?
>
> Mark
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> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:30:47 -0500
> From: Stewart Wilson <
stewart@stewartwilson.com>
> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: answers to big
question-Dahlia
>
> Mark Sullivan wrote:
> > This reminds me of a question I've been meaning
to ask. I had always
> > assumed that the movie (Blue) took its name
from the real life murder
> > (Black), but I finally realized that they
occurred in the opposite
> > order. I know Elizabeth Short always wore
black, but was her posthumous
> > pseudonym a reference to the movie?
>
> Yes, it was the movie, but not the name was not
given posthumously: Short
> was the 'Black Dahlia' to some LA acquaintances
prior to her death.
>
> Stewart
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> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:36:06 EST
> From:
Mbdlevin@aol.com
> Subject: RARA-AVIS: NY Time Sallis Piece
>
> James Sallis has a piece in the NY Times about
writing and finishing the Lew
> Griffin series. I recommend his first Lew Griffin
novel (Long-Legged Fly)
> quite a bit. The second (Moth) is good, but not as
strong as the first. You
> need to register (free) to get to:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/31/books/31SALL.html
>
> Here's an excerpt:
>
> "Mysteries?
>
> "What better crucible in which to fire up the
reagents of contemporary urban
> life? Crime novels give access to every level of
society, taking on the city
> in its entirety. The privileged, the impoverished,
the invisible. When in the
> 80's I began writing in the field, it seemed to me
that much of the most
> interesting work was being done in the crime novel.
A whole army of writers,
> people like Jim Burke, Stephen Greenleaf and Daniel
Woodrell, had decamped
> from "literary" fiction and set up down by the
river. They wanted to write
> serious novels, and they wanted people to read them,
and they didn't feel
> those two desires had to be exclusive.
>
> "I dropped my knapsack and unrolled my sleeping bag
beside them."
>
> Doug
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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:57:39 -0600
> From: "M Blumenthal" <
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> Subject: RARA-AVIS: Hugh C McDonald
>
> A couple of months ago I asked if anyone on the list
knew anything about
> Hugh C. MacDonald. I thought the name was a
pseudonym, but some of the
> information about his setting up an underground
organization in the USSR
> and working for the CIA may be true. He now reminds
me of one of Ellroy's
> characters in The Big Nowhere. I received an email
about him from Bill Code
> who had come across my question in the Rara Avis
archives. I received his
> permission to forward his reply to the list. While
Hugh seems marginally
> hard boiled in the books I read (all the clearly non
fiction books below),
> he
> did have a police background. Bill is now thinking
about using his show
> business connections to explore making a movie about
Hugh. I thought Bill's
> reply may be of interest(My additions are in
brackets):
>
> - -----
> As far as I know, Hugh C. McDonald authored 5[6]
mainstream novels. 2 of
> them are JFK Conspiracy based, and (in my opinion)
ultimately caused his
> literary downfall.
>
> - - Appointment in Dallas: the final solution to the
Assassination of JFK
> This book was written by HCMc and Geoffrey
Bocca
> - - LBJ and the JFK Conspiracy
> Written with Robin Moore (of Green Beret
fame)
> - - Black Sea Caper (also written with Robin
Moore)
> - - The Blue Fox [The Hour of the Blue
Fox]
> - - Letter from Kiev
> [Also Five Signs from Ruby]
>
> He also wrote Police texts...
> - - The Investigation of Sex Crimes
> - - The Classification of Police
Photographs
> - - The Psychology of Police
Interrogation
>
> Unfortunately I haven't met the man, and because he
passed away in the 80's
> of a heart attack, if looks like I'll never get the
chance. I assume that
> the Blue Wolf (or Fox as it was published) stories
died with him. I got
> interested in him quite by accident. Honestly, I am
more interested in a
> friend of his named Herman Kimsey. Nonetheless, I
have briefly spoken with
> Hugh's son, Hugh Jr., some years ago, where his was
Chief of Detectives at
> the Peter Pitchess Honour Division in LA. I also
have briefly corresponded
> with Robin Moore, who is currently (I hope) filling
in some blanks about him
> and Kimsey.
>
> What I do know about Hugh C. McDonald is
this:
> - - He was born in 1913
> - - In February 1967 he retired as Chief of
Detectives, LA County Sheriff's
> Department
> - - 1964 he was hired as Chief of security for Barry
Goldwater's presidential
> campaign
> - - In 1946-1954 he was 2nd in Command of the Forth
McArthur Military
> Intelligence School, California
> - - On June 7, 1961 he gratuated from the FBI
National Academy
> - - He was a Major in Military Intelligence between
May 9, 1952 to May 9,
> 1957.
>
> In Appointment in Dallas, McDonald dedicates a good
part of the book to Blue
> Fox and Vozrodenya. [The Soviet controlled island he
supposedly researched
> for the CIA] He indicates in the writing that it is
actually non-fictional
> and he has (had) friends in Blue Fox.... as a matter
of fact, he indicates
> that he was a "Founder." Would you like me to dig
into Blue Fox a bit? Might
> be interesting.
>
> If you take this text as truth, then it would seem
that his knowledge gained
> was first hand....
>
> I have some other references from the National
Archives that I will look up
> and let you know.
>
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> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:56:16 -0500
> From: Stewart Wilson <
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> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: answers to big
question
>
> "Forstater, Mathew" wrote:
> > I picked up the first Richard Stark, liked it a
lot, and just went and
> > picked up the second. i imagine I will breeze
through the series.
>
> Sadly, Mysterious Press is reprinting slowly. It
also seems that the
> later books in the series (before the 1974-1996
hiatus) are very hard to
> find -- it took me a couple years to track down
PLUNDER SQUAD and BUTCHERS
> MOON at reasonable prices. I also noted that all
copies of PLUNDER SQUAD
> and all but one BUTCHERS MOON were 'lost' from my
local library system
> (for a city with a population of 2.5 million). The
copy of BUTCHERS
> still in the system is in the reference library, and
hence not available
> for loan. I am sure these losses have nothing to do
with the fact that
> ex-libris copies of those books (even reprints)
fetch around $75 US on
> ebay. In any case, Mysterious, having just put out
THE SCORE in their
> current reprint series, is still eleven books away
from getting to BUTCHERS
> MOON, which is arguably the best book.
>
> Stewart
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