RE: RARA-AVIS: the language of Hard Boiled

From: Words from the Monastery (
Date: 09 Jul 2000

I don't see the question being whether or not a non-American is "capable" of producing hard-boiled material, but whether or not what is produced is unique or is it just hard-boiled written by a non-American. Whether or not their contributions are unique enough to designate it as Brit-HB, French-HB, German-HB, etc., to create its own sub genre. And that designation isn't limited to the author's nationality or the location of the story, but that there is a cultural uniqueness to the work that separates it from the others and those written by Americans. If not, if it all falls under "HB" then there's possibly a legitimate argument that HB is an American genre with multi-national authors producing it. It all does fall under crime fiction.

volente Deo,

Anthony Dauer Alexandria, Virginia

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 who is not himself mean, who is neither
 tarnished or afraid."

            --Raymond Chandler (1888-1959)

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> ultimately whether or not non-Americans are capable of producing
> hard-boiled material goes back to our never-ending discussion on
> what hard-boiled is.
> if it is indeed merely a question of prose, then yes, the fact that
> Americanese tends to be clipped and slangy lends itself to that
> argument.
> but if hard-boiled is the by-product of attitude, and I for one
> am a strong proponent of this idea, then I see no reason why even
> Martians can't produce decent hard-boiled.

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