At 01:00 PM 6/8/00 +0300, Juri wrote:
>
>Well, this poses quite a problem: in 1890s there were
no pulps, so how can
one say
>that the type of fiction in Strand magazines was akin
to pulp. I know that
Argosy
>started in 1896, but was it real pulp at the time? I
don't think so. Maybe
you're
>thinking dime novel fiction, which certainly was a
forerunner to much of
the pulp
>fiction.
I don't know how
you define real pulp, but 1896 is not the year that Argosy
started, but the year it switched to pulp paper and began
printing and reprinting adventure fiction.
>> I'm aware that Fu Manchu's US appearances
were
>> in slicks (Colliers, I believe) but were his
adventure tales (or
Kipling's) all
>> that different
>> from, say, Talbot Mundy?
>
>Haven't read any Talbot Mundy. I know him, of course,
but these exotic
adventures
>seem to form a subgenre in pulp fiction that can be
and usually is
separated from
>the usual definitions of pulp fiction. Well, there is
Edgar Rice
Burroughs, who
>isn't considered a pulp writer, even though he was
namely that.
I don't quite
follow what you are talking about here. I am on pretty
intimate terms with ERB fandom and we for sure consider him a
pulp writer. In fact, he sold only one slick story in his
life. Tony Goodstone's excellent anthology _The Pulps_ opens
with an ERB story. Some of the
"pulpiest" of the pulps.....such as Fiction House's Jungle
Stories ....were devoted exclusively to imitations of ERB and
H. Rider Haggard. These
"exotic adventures" are extremely collectible. That they are
not pulps will come as a huge shock at Pulpcon this summer.
You surely are aware that most of Robert E. Howard falls into
this niche? Likewise, Caz's _The Pulp Collector_ is devoted
exclusively to this type of story. If you define these exotic
adventures out of pulp then we have probably defined Argosy
and All-Story out of pulp as well, since these stories were,
along with westerns, the mainstay of those
publications.
>
>> The direction I'm going here is that I think
that my definition of pulp is
>> that, if it was written in the
>> time of the pulps, and it wouldn't look out of
place serialized in
>> Adventure, or Argosy, or Thrilling
>> Detective, or Weird Tales, or Short Stories, or,
.... Then it is pulp
>> fiction, regardless of where it
>> appeared.
>
>Agatha Christie? John Dickson Carr? They were
published in pulp magazines,
would
>you consider them pulp fiction? Would Tarantino
qualify them as pulp
fiction? And
>what about Gorman, Greenberg and Pronzini?
>
Sure. Black Mask at one time printed
nothing but cozy/classic type stories. Are we going to define
"pulp" in such a way that Black Mask can't make the
cut?
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan@ionet.net
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