Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Defective Detectives, Fedora Lobby

From: Juri Nummelin (
Date: 02 Feb 2000

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Kevin Burton Smith wrote:

> >I think we can close this subject now, since most of those mentioned don't
> >seem to be hardboiled.
> Hey, doesn't bug me if we slammed the lid on this topic, but if
> you're referring to my list, I think a good case for their hardboiled
> status could be made for most of them. Certainly Manville Moon and
> Sid Halley and Dan Fortune and Slot Machine and several of the
> walking wounded from the pages of Dime Detective would definitely
> qualify as being suitably hard-boiled enough for the oh-so-refined
> tastes of the members of this list.

And they certainly were part of the pulp industry and the roots of every hardboiled novel, short story, film or whatever lies in pulp fiction. So I think pulp fiction in almost all its forms could - and should - be discussed here.

> And yeah, Sharon, the original point about cellphones was probably a
> joke (though your response was much funnier), but my own response was
> serious. I mean, yeah, I love the old stuff, but that doesn't mean I
> want the new stuff to pretend that the last forty or fifty years
> didn't happen.

Maybe the cellphones are so connected to the marketing and sponsoring world ("Hey guys! Did you notice those phones in Matrix? We made them!") that it's not easy to accept them as part of a serious piece of literature. I think they can be used, but they mustn't become a nuisance, as computers and medical jargon in Patricia Cornwell. They must be used only as a tool, like someone pointed out. And make it short.


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