>Hardboiled:
> - involves a detective, private investigator,
reporter or somenoe
> similar as the protagonist in a criminal
investigation
> - backdrop of institutionalized corruption
> - protagonist is tough and cynical
> - language is colloquial
> - involves sex and violence
> - protagonist becomes deeply involved in the crime's
aftermath--
> he doesn't sit in his armchair, he goes out and
shakes things up
>
>Classic examples: Dashiell Hamett, Raymond Chandler,
James M. Cain
>
>Noir:
> - features criminals or victims as protagonists,
people who can't
> control themselves (psychologically) or, finally,
what happens to
> them. [snip]
No problem with the definitions, especially since I
contributed (which
didn't realize at the time). Problem is in including Cain in
the
"Hardboiled" category, if it "involves a detective,
private
investigator...." Cain's protagonists seem to fit the "Noir"
category, as
defined above.
Would add that I appreciate regular reconsiderations of basic
definitions.
Helps to renew the discussion.
Bill Hagen
<billha@ionet.net>
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