Re: RARA-AVIS: G.I., P.I.

Bill Hagen (billha@ionet.net)
Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:48:40 -0600 (CST) I like your connection between military and homecoming experiences of
veterans and the hard-boiled attitude, Fred. But if you're saying that
particular experiences of the AUTHORS should be added to what the fiction
tells us of experiences of CHARACTERS, to create the full character, I
would respectfully differ.

Is the fictional character Marlowe identified as a vet at any point? I
don't remember a place; it probably would've been mentioned in "The Long
Goodbye," where Terry's war experiences are so important in what he is and
does. I ask the same question about Spade. As someone less immersed than
many on the list, I really want to know.

IF NOT, what we are talking about is a shared vision, something more
cultural (or from author to character, if you like). Long ago (2 years?),
we had an interesting and inconclusive discussion of what Chandler might
have gained from Hemingway--or vice versa. "Soldier's Home," which
locates the disillusionment more with "home" than the war itself, and deals
with the inability to feel, the danger of feeling for someone else (a
girl), sets up a kind of character who might turn into a P.I.

So I'm not disagreeing with the thrust of the GI/PI argument; just trying
to qualify it. By the time Chandler started writing, the disillusionment
had become a cultural phenomenon, fueled by Remarque, Hemingway, Sassoon,
Dos Passos and T.S. Eliot, among others.

And so, we're back to the exact composition of that first kettle of water
that hard-boiled the eggs we love to read about. I would suggest that
prohibition & gangsters after the Great War, and the excesses of big
business (strikebreaking) and radical critiques of business before WWI were
also ingredients.

Bill Hagen
<billha@ionet.net>

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