On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, michael david sharp wrote: : I guess what I'm saying is, the distinction between V.I. novels and : the Hardboiled genre needs to be made more clearly. Is the detective : too conscientious? Too concerned about social mores? Does she : actually care about other human beings besides herself? Does she : fail properly to enjoy brutalizing other human beings? What makes : her not hardboiled? Geez, I don't think being hardboiled entails being a sociopath. :) My memories of VI are a little vague, but I remember her as being kind of ... wimpy, which is not a good indicator of how minutes you're boiled. I went by the library today and got out one of the VI stories, from a couple years ago, and I'll read it and see how I like her, and how tough she is. : And, could a novel or story theoretically be hardboiled if its : detective is not? I've been reading Dorothy Hughes and trying to : figure out her relation to the genre. For the most part I can't read : modern crime fiction (with some Very noteworthy exceptions). That's a bit of a technical question, I think. If you had an Op story narrated by an innocent child he looked after/was burdened with, would it be hardboiled? I think you'd have to say it was, but acknowledge the differences. What kind of detectives does Hughes use? Her name came up a number of times on the checklist of hardboiled titles I typed in, but I don't know a thing about her. Is there one I should start off with? Bill -- William Denton : buff@vex.net <-- Please note new address. Toronto, Canada <-- I'm not at io.org any more. http://www.vex.net/~buff/ Caveat lector. - # RARA-AVIS: To unsubscribe, say "unsubscribe rara-avis" # to majordomo@icomm.ca