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Re: RARA-AVIS: Hardboiled



On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, michael david sharp wrote:

: I guess what I'm saying is, the distinction between V.I. novels and
: the Hardboiled genre needs to be made more clearly. Is the detective
: too conscientious?  Too concerned about social mores?  Does she
: actually care about other human beings besides herself?  Does she
: fail properly to enjoy brutalizing other human beings?  What makes
: her not hardboiled?

Geez, I don't think being hardboiled entails being a sociopath. :)  My
memories of VI are a little vague, but I remember her as being kind of
... wimpy, which is not a good indicator of how minutes you're
boiled.  I went by the library today and got out one of the VI
stories, from a couple years ago, and I'll read it and see how I like
her, and how tough she is.

: And, could a novel or story theoretically be hardboiled if its
: detective is not? I've been reading Dorothy Hughes and trying to
: figure out her relation to the genre. For the most part I can't read
: modern crime fiction (with some Very noteworthy exceptions).

That's a bit of a technical question, I think.  If you had an Op story
narrated by an innocent child he looked after/was burdened with, would
it be hardboiled?  I think you'd have to say it was, but acknowledge
the differences.  What kind of detectives does Hughes use?  Her name
came up a number of times on the checklist of hardboiled titles I
typed in, but I don't know a thing about her.  Is there one I should
start off with?

Bill
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