RARA-AVIS: Re: Piccirilli (was: Re: Jack O'Connell's top 10 books of 2008)

From: davezeltserman (davezelt@rcn.com)
Date: 10 Jan 2009

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    Sandra, read Derek Raymond's factory series. It's a series, and it's extremely noir (and maybe also the greatest crime series written). Don't believe me, try the books.

    --Dave

    --- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Ruttan" <sandraruttan@...> wrote:
    >
    > I'll leave it to others - I won't bite. I've had these conversations.
    >
    > But I will say this: noir is extremely overused, to the point where
    > it's been so diluted it's a meaningless term and I do think that it's
    > extremely difficult, if not impossible, for a series to be truly noir.
    > It may be dark, but that's not really the same thing.
    >
    > I'll sit back with my popcorn now that I've stirred the pot, but to
    > bring it back to point, I've since had it pointed out to me The
    > Coldest Mile has been referred to as a sequel. Haven't had a chance to
    > check yet if it's really is just a sequel, or if it's a series. That
    > again may prompt me to readjust my assessment.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Sandra
    >
    > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Brian Thornton
    > <bthorntonwriter@...> wrote:
    > > Gee, how did I know that a thread that combined the words "noir,"
    "strict'
    > > and "definition" would draw Jim's attention!
    > >
    > > ;)
    > >
    > > Let the games begin (again.... and.... again... and...)
    > >
    > > All the Best-
    > >
    > > Brian
    > >
    > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:24 AM, JIM DOHERTY <jimdohertyjr@...>wrote:
    > >
    > >> Sandra,
    > >>
    > >> Re your comment below:
    > >>
    > >> "In truth, it's very hard to do a series that's truly noir,
    because the
    > >> strictest definitions of noir require the death or destruction
    (ie: in
    > >> an asylum) of the protagonist in the end."
    > >>
    > >> The strcitest definitions of noir require that it be a crime
    story that an
    > >> atmosphere that is dark and sinister. ANything stricter than that is
    > >> simply
    > >> incorrect.
    > >>
    >
    >
    > --
    > THE FRAILTY OF FLESH Nov 08 Dorchester
    > LULLABY FOR THE NAMELESS Dec 09 Dorchester
    > http://www.sandraruttan.com/
    >



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