Re: RE : RARA-AVIS: Memento

From: Nathan Cain ( IndieCrime@gmail.com)
Date: 14 Feb 2008


I didn't find it at all compelling, and the twist at the beginning
(end) wasn't all that great. I found myself bored by the rape scene because it went on for so damn long. At first it was shocking, and then I was tempted to hit fast forward because I'd gotten the point.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Mark R. Harris < brokerharris@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I strongly disagree with this. I was prepared to dislike *Irreversible
> *because
> of the things I had heard about it, and instead I wound up thinking that it
> is one of the strongest movies of the decade, with nothing gratuitous about
> it whatsoever. It is strong meat, to be sure, but I thought it was
> incredibly powerful and moving. I think Roger Ebert's thoughtful review
> really nails it:
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> http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030314/REVIEWS/303140303/1023
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> The last paragraphs of the review are beautifully written:
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> *The fact is, the reverse chronology makes
> "**Irreversible*< http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/classifieds?category=REVIEWS01&TITLESearch=Irreversible&ToDate=20081231>
> *" a film that structurally argues against rape and violence, while ordinary
> chronology would lead us down a seductive narrative path toward a shocking,
> exploitative payoff. By placing the ugliness at the beginning,
> **Gaspar
> Noe*< http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/classifieds?category=search1&SearchType=1&q=Gaspar%20Noe&Class=%25&FromDate=19150101&ToDate=20081231>
> * forces us to think seriously about the sexual violence involved. The movie
> does not end with rape as its climax and send us out of the theater as if
> something had been communicated. It starts with it, and asks us to sit there
> for another hour and process our thoughts. It is therefore moral - at a
> structural level.
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> As I said twice and will repeat again, most people will not want to see the
> film at all. It is so violent, it shows such cruelty, that it is a test most
> people will not want to endure. But it is unflinchingly honest about the
> crime of rape. It does not exploit. It does not pander. It has been said
> that no matter what it pretends, pornography argues for what it shows. "**
> Irreversible*< http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/classifieds?category=REVIEWS01&TITLESearch=Irreversible&ToDate=20081231>
> *" is not pornography. *
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> Mark
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> On 2/14/08, Nathan Cain < IndieCrime@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Irreversible wasn't nearly as interesting as Memento, and the rape
> > scene, which went on for about ten minutes was gratuitous.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Fabienne soldini
> < fabsoldini@yahoo.fr<fabsoldini%40yahoo.fr>>
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> > wrote:
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> > > I saw Memento few years ago and I like it. It's a very amazing movie.
> > There
> > > is a French movie, made later, which uses that king of narrative form.
> > It's
> > > "Irr鶥rsible" by Gaspard No鬠with Vincent Cassel and Monica Belluci.
> > The
> > > film begins by the end, an very violent and savage murder in a
> > night-club.
> > > And the spectator learns what happens before and before, the explanation
> > of
> > > that murder. It is not excatly a crime movie but it's very noir and
> > cruel:
> > > there is a rape scene very hard. But the central thema, in my opinion,
> > is
> > > the destruction of a couple, in a very short time, perhaps ten hours.
> > But
> > > that movie uses a criminal storie and very violent scenes to express
> > that.
> > >
> > > Fabienne
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack Bludis < buildsnburns@yahoo.com <buildsnburns%40yahoo.com>> a 飲it
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> > :
> > >
> > >
> > > I accidentally stumbled acrosss the movie "Memento" last
> > > night. I had never seen it and never been able to find it
> > > at local video stores.
> > >
> > > It's an interesting presentation with an inside out plot
> > > that has to be deciphered by the viewer but will never be
> > > deciphered by the lead who has an extreme case of
> > > short-term memory loss. If you put it together
> > > chronologically (as well as you could) it would be a kind
> > > of sad-sack noir.
> > >
> > > Some of it doesn't hang together, but so what. Still
> > > interesting. The beginning of the movie is the end of the
> > > story, the end of the movie is the beginning of the story,
> > > and in context Carrie-Anne Moss (of the Matrix Trilogy) is
> > > as bitch of a femme fatale as their ever was.
> > >
> > > The lead, Guy Pierce, was one of the detectives in the
> > > movie "L.A. Confidential" and I understand he will be
> > > playing the lead in the movie of Cormac McCarthy's "The
> > > Road." (I looked it up.)
> > >
> > > For those who recommended it, thanks.
> > >
> > > A nice pic for a Rare Bird to stumble over when he's
> > > spinning the dial. I have no idea what network it was on.
> > >
> > > Jack Bludis
> > >
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