Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: The definition of literature

From: Stephen Burridge ( stephen.burridge@gmail.com)
Date: 05 Nov 2007


I don't have a copy of "Brighton Rock", but I read a library copy a few months ago, and I don't think it was one of the books Greene called "entertainments".

Stephen

On Nov 5, 2007 1:54 PM, Nathan Cain < IndieCrime@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I going to have to say that I'm confused about Brighton Rock being labeled
> an "entertainment" since it dealt with some pretty weighty themes. I'm
> really not sure what Greene meant by his use of that term, because it
> implies that the works he considered serious were not meant to be
> entertaining. Maybe it was the Catholic in him, trying to separate the
> earthly from the spiritual, or something like that. Perhaps there was a
> conviction that fun things shouldn't be serious and serious things can't
> possibly be fun.
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> On 11/5/07, scatalogic@aol.com < scatalogic@aol.com> wrote:
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> > "I find a special intensity in his writing, regardless of
> > topic. Greene may be much undervalued, still, by the literary
> > establishment."
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> > Greene's interesting in terms of this discussion isn't he, in that he did
> > split his works into the 'entertainments' and serious literature and the
> > entertainments tend to be the works that come under Rara Avis's large and
> > flexible
> > umbrella. I used to be quite annoyed with Greene for doing this (a
> > particularly stupid and pointless rage I'll freely admit - I think I was
> > annoyed he
> > didn't consider Brighton Rock serious when I did!) and I've just been
> > having a
> > quick flick through the Norman Sherry biography (though I only have the
> > first
> > volume, to 1939, here) to see if I can find anything on this division,
> > which
> > I can't, beyond a brief snippet that Brighton Rock was intended as a
> > thriller
> > and "an entertainment" - I'd be grateful if anyone does know.
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> > I think Greene is magnificent and love his 'entertainments' probably more
> > than his 'serious' works, particularly Brighton Rock, Our Man in Havana
> > and A
> > Gun For Sale, I think you'll love Ministry of Fear: an entertainment, too
> > (what a magnificent title) and it is certainly noir - although Graham
> > Greene
> > makes me think of a particularly English greyness. I've never seen the
> > Fritz Lang
> > film, but scan the TV schedules for a showing.
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> > Is he undervalued? I hope not and in my brief searchings I've just found
> > Stamboul Train has been voted as the best novel of 1932 by a panel at the
> > Cheltenham Literary Festival (Britain's biggest) given the odd task of
> > awarding
> > Booker prizes for pre-Booker years or something similar.
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> > I've always thought of Chandler being similar in sensibility to Greene and
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> > vice versa, but just found this quote from Big Uncle Raymond:
> > "Am reading The Heart of the Matter, a chapter at a time. It has
> > everything
> > in it that makes literature -- except verve, wit, gusto, music, and
> > magic...
> > There is more life in the worst chapter Dickens or Thackeray ever wrote,
> > and
> > they wrote some pretty awful chapters."
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> > Cheers all, Colin.
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