Re: RARA-AVIS: RE : Lolita and noir

From: Patrick King ( abrasax93@yahoo.com)
Date: 26 Feb 2007


Richard, you are coming in compltely over the top here. Is this a "strawman" argument? First, I am not
"oblivious" to the humor in Lolita. I simply don't believe humor is the main objective of the novel as it is in Jeeves Takes Charge for example. Others have referred to Lolita as "a very funny novel." It is not a funny novel. It is a novel that is seasoned with mild humor to take the edge off the very weighty questions it poses about European and American society in the 1950s. Secondly, I do not want "to find something sick or evil in those who found humor in Nobakov's novel." I think it's quite common for people to mask things that make them uncomfortable by sniggering, giggling, or even laughing at them, and that is what I'm suggesting is happening when people find undue humor in Lolita. Objectively, Lolita is a very dark novel, very beautifully written. Tolstoy used a great deal of humor in War & Peace, too, especially tying the policeman to the bear and throwing them in the canal, and the dual when Pierre stumbles and shoots his adversary inadvertantly, winning the dual in which everyone thought he would die. But these and many other funny part does not make War & Peace a "very funny" novel. Do you get my points now?

Patrick King
--- Richard Moore < moorich@aol.com> wrote:

> Well, how to day this delicately? Earlier, on The
> Long Goodbye
> string I asked the question are you serious or is
> this a sendup? At
> the time I thought it was a sendup. Even when you
> wrote that those
> seeing humor in Lolita were simply laughing to cover
> their
> embarassment, I thought you might be trying to be
> provocative.
> After all, I can not remember ever being embarrassed
> by a book. Mom
> never found the stash of Orrie Hitt novels.
>
> But now this. Okay, I accept that you are more than
> likely
> serious. As long as we are discussing acceptance, I
> can accept the
> fact that you believe Lolita is a great novel even
> though you are
> apparently oblivious to its humor. That's okay by
> me.
>
> Why is it that you apparently want to find something
> sick or evil in
> those who found humor in Nobakov's novel? It's a
> rather common
> opinion beginning with the first reviews of the
> novel. So the
> emotion (anger?) generated by the disagreement on
> this list is
> puzzling if not insulting. I find your latest post
> to be (at the
> least) very distasteful.
>
> Richard Moore
>
>
>
> --- In rara-avis-l@yahoogroups.com, Patrick King
> <abrasax93@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, Kerry, if you find yourself giggling to
> relieve
> > the tension as you read Nabakov's poetic reference
> to
> > a 14-year-old girl's vulva, I'd say the humor is
> more
> > in the reader than it is in the writing. Just my
> > opinion.
> >
> > Patrick King
> > --- "Kerry J. Schooley" <gsp.schoo@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Humour is highly subjective of course.
> Personally
> > > one of the things I find funniest in fiction or
> > > life is the contortions people will twist
> > > themselves into when they discover that they are
>
> > > the very embodiment of the problems they take
> > > most seriously (which tend to be categorized
> > > under the headings of "Evil" or "Immoral.") Some
>
> > > of these things are just plain silly, like pants
>
> > > on piano legs; others more darkly so, like a
> > > picture of J. Edgar Hoover in drag. Imagine an
> > > entire career, more, an entire Government
> > > department dedicated to denying the essence of
> > > that photograph. Evil certainly, but hilariously
> so.
> > >
> > > Of course I seldom see the humour when I'm
> caught
> > > in similar situations taking myself too
> > > seriously, which I suppose is what makes humour
> > > so subjective. Knowing it's just me, I hope
> > > you'll forgive me Patrick if I say that your
> > > argument below is one of the funniest things
> I've
> > > read on RARA AVIS or anywhere else, in some
> time.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Kerry
> > >
> > > At 04:51 PM 22/02/2007, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Well, Bob, clearly you don't get my meaning at
> all.
> > > >Thompson and Highsmith are being droll in those
> > > >instances and their descriptions are funny.
> Kevin
> > > >Weeks' description of moving victims in Brutal:
> the
> > > >untold story of my life inside Whitey Bulger's
> > > Irish
> > > >Mob, was not very funny at all. Humbert's
> > > comparison
> > > >of Lolita's desire for him to her desire for
> lunch,
> > > a
> > > >Humburger to a Hamburger was somewhat funny but
> it
> > > >doesn't mark the book as a "very funny book."
> > > >Personally, I think people who want to
> pigeonhole
> > > >Lolita as a "funny book" are embarrassed by the
> > > fact
> > > >that Nabakov used Lolita to undermine his
> readers'
> > > >sensibilites. It's a great novel written from
> the
> > > >perspective of America's most reprehensible
> type of
> > > >criminal. It puts that criminal in perspective
> as a
> > > >human, not a monster. It even strikes at the
> very
> > > real
> > > >urge of age to hunger for youth and beauty.
> > > Everyone
> > > >does this. Mary K. Letourneau can't restrain
> > > herself,
> > > >many of the rest of us can. By accepting Lolita
> as
> > > a
> > > >great novel, we are also forced to accept our
> own
> > > >potential for evil. As Humbert finds out, the
> > > reality
> > > >is not as fine as the fantasy. Any good novel
> > > employs
> > > >humor, pathos, drama, and psychology in even
> > > measures
> > > >to move the reader. Lolita is at the very least
> a
> > > good
> > > >novel, but unlike Forest Gump, Breakfast of
> > > Champions,
> > > >or Huckleberry Finn, humor is not it's main
> > > objective.
> > > >That's my point.
> > > >
> > > >Patrick King
> > > >--- bobav1
> > > <<mailto:rav7%40COLUMBIA.EDU>rav7@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Patrick:
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, you win.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lolita = not funny
> > > > >
> > > > > Corpse-moving = funny funny
> > > > >
> > > > > If I understand your concluding sentences,
> > > Lolita is
> > > > > not funny any
> > > > > more than the lives of actual child
> molesters
> > > are
> > > > > funny, but
> > > > > corpse-moving is funny because the lives of
> > > actual
> > > > > murdering
> > > > > corpse-movers can be funny.
> > > > >
> > > > > And clearly, the discussion of humor in
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
>www.nytimes.com/books/97/03/02/lifetimes/nab-v-obit.html
> > > > > is simply
> > > > > deluded.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for making my day :) (No, really
> …quot;
> > > your
> > > > > email is wonderfully
> > > > > Nabokovian!)
> > > > >
> > > > > Loving rara-avis,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob V in NYC
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. Amen to the superb stewardship of
> Denton!
> > > > >
> > > > > P.P.S. Do Lankford and Doherty wish to weigh
> in
> > > on
> > > > > how Altman got the
> > > > > Mexican dogs to hump on cue?
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
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