Re-reading both my own answer and Bill¹s comment (below) and
now reading miker¹s comment leads only to the evidence that
concepts like noir/dark//graphic
novel/comics//violence/sex...etc...have VERY different
meanings for different reviewers...and I don¹t even know
where to go from there...but my own ID card...
In my eyes a level of authentic harshness/toughness is found
in film like Aguirre/some magnificent Œnoir¹ westerns like
Wild Bunch/Bad Lieutenant/City of God/Captain Conan/the
astonishing BBC series of J. Le Carr鹳 books/The Long Good
Friday/Days of Heaven/Le Doulos/Woo¹s The Killer/The
Grifters/Blade Runner...etc... In my eyes a level of
authentic harshness/toughness is found in books like
Hammett¹s/Vachss¹s/Manchette/Charyn/Derek
Raymond/Fajardie/Arjouni/Whittfield/Willeford/Durenmatt/Handke/Diana
Ramsay/some Auster/some TC Boyle/Dybeck...etc... In my eyes a
level of authentic harshness/toughness is found in BD¹s
/Graphic Novels like Montellier/Miller-Darrow/the whole Hard
Looks series from Vachss¹s/M series of Jon
Muth/Tardi/Duveaux...etc...
Now, of course, we could debate until the bulls come home
about what Œreal¹,
Œauthentic¹...mean to each rara-avian, and we could throw
more fancy names to Œauthenticate¹ our definitions of the
genres...and then the debate will spill inevitably into what
we expect/desire/want from a film, a book, a BD/GN...as a
Œreader¹...and guns will fire between the Œentertainers¹ and
the Œrealists¹...
This is only brought up to my mind since words like Mikey
Spillane, Chinatown, comic-book, Sin City, Chinatown, Pulp
Fiction...have been bundled together in several e-amils and
it Œtalks¹ aplenty...and in my corner of darkness they do not
belong to the same bag, and...lines of fire need to be drawn
somewhere...
As Borgnine says about giving Œyour word¹ in The Wild Bunch:
That ain¹t what counts, it¹s who you give it to!
Montois de D鴲oit
On 4/2/05 8:15 PM, "Michael Robison" <
miker_zspider@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bill Crider wrote:
>
> I saw SIN CITY yesterday... I have a feeling
that
> this is the kind of movie you'll either like a lot
or
> not like at all. I liked it a lot.
>
> **********
> Oh yeah! Just saw it today. WAHOOO! Great
movie.
> Loved it. The part that came after Bruce
Willis's
> intro had Mickey Spillane written all over it.
Very
> unrealistic, very satisfying.
>
> The wife hated it. She went to sleep. The
daughter
> loved it. She mentioned that the lady parole
officer
> had a S&W .357 model 60 just like
hers.
>
> miker
> __________________________________
>
>
Filled with every clich頡vailable , every bombastic device
available, all the graphix EFX that top $ can buy, siliconed
and surgically implanted acting, Sin City is a very sad
parody of both the very good BD it came from and any type of
film noir, even Œmodern¹ ones ࠬa pulp fiction/reserv.dogs...
To compare it to Chinatown, or Bad Lieutenant...is or would
be quite astonishing to say the least...
Montois de D鴲oit
On 4/2/05 11:13 AM, "Bill Crider" <
bcrider@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> Keith said: "Can you compare, contrast to either
Reservoir Dogs or Pulp
> Fiction? Both pretty noir in terms of film genre.
Though clearly not graphic
> comic derived."
>
> I'll have to leave that to people who know more
about the movies than I do.
> SIN CITY obviously has a comic-book sensibility, but
I'd say it was darker
> than PULP FICTION. There's a CHINATOWN influence,
but it seemed to me to be
> darker than that movie, too.
>
> Bill Crider
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