Re: RARA-AVIS: Re: Noir jazz and all.

From: dave ( birdlives@earthlink.net)
Date: 21 Feb 2003


Jesus, Todd... I forgot you're around. I don't have the energy to go toe to toe with your "authority."

Nevertheless, I would submit that Robert Johnson's delta blues is essentially rural, whereas Noir is urban... as is bebop.

Top that!

dave

Todd Mason wrote:
>
> Yes, dave...actually, much of the Ellington ouervre as well as not a little
> of Shaw would be noir just fine, one need not try to claim that Bop was the
> quintessential noir music. JOHNNY STACCATO notwithstanding. And there goes
> the mythologization of those who foreshortened their lives, which also
> manages to forget that heroin wasn't invented by the boppers, either.
>
> "Hell Hound on My Trail" by Robert Johnson is as noir as one could
> want...but then, what isn't noir about blues? Or bluegrass? At least in
> their, ahem, noirish moods. TM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave [mailto: birdlives@earthlink.net]
>
> I seem to remember a similar thread a few years ago...
>
> I've followed the latest attempts to define Noir with much
> interest. Everybody seems to make good points. And although
> I believe there's a noirish worldview that transcends
> period, the "purest" examples of Noir to me exist roughly
> between 1943-1950.
>
> Utilizing that criteria, Bebop would be the authentic music
> of Noir. Not to mention, Bird, Bud Powell's, Fats Navarro,
> Sonny Stitt, etc's essentially "noir" lives. The frantic,
> jagged, and unsettling melodies and tempos of these cats'
> bebop "heads" captures in an abstract way much of the noir
> malaise. Bird's famed "Koko" is a helluvalot more "Noir"
> than recent nostalgic exercises in mood, such as Charlie
> Haden's recent noir tributes.
>
> If the basic Noir themes can be summed up by Woolrich's
> "First you dream, then you die," or Ellroy's "There is no
> hope -- only obsession..." The music and lives of this first
> wave of beboppers epitomize the Noir credos...
>
> Having said that, there is an Artie Shaw tune from the
> thirties called "Nightmare" that has a very noirish flavor...
>
> loving noir and jazz --
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