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RARA-AVIS Digest Tuesday, November 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number
499
In this issue:
Re: RARA-AVIS: James Crumley's short story:
"Hot Springs"
RE: RARA-AVIS: FLASHFIRE
Re: RARA-AVIS: James Crumley's short story:
"Hot Springs"
Re: RARA-AVIS: James Crumley's short story:
"Hot Springs"
Re: RARA-AVIS: James Crumley's short story:
"Hot Springs"
RE: RARA-AVIS: FLASHFIRE
Re: RARA-AVIS: Grofeld
Re: RARA-AVIS: Stark Month--What do you
think of the Grofield novels?
RARA-AVIS: Stark's Slayground
Re: RARA-AVIS: Stark's Slayground
Re: RARA-AVIS: starr
Re: RARA-AVIS: Stark Month--What do you
think of the Grofield novels?
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:45:45 -0800 (PST) From: Etienne
Borgers <
freeweb@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: James
Crumley's short story: "Hot Springs"
Thanks for trying to help.
I've read 'Whores' and it's one of the collections of short
stories that made me doubt about Penzler's statement.
I never had a look at this edition of 'Muddy forks...', but I
suppose it harbors stories with copyrights after
1973.(?)
Or is it because 'Hot Springs' was an original for the 1996
collection and this made it special amongst the publication
of *books* with short stories by Crumley?
E.Borgers Hard-Boiled Mysteries http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6384
- --- Maura McMillan <
mmcm@azstarnet.com> wrote:
> i looked at what we have here, which isn't
every
> crumley thing there is, of
> course, but many --
>
> 'whores', 1988, (dennis mcmillan) includes a
number
> of previously
> unpublished short stories. let me know if you
want
> to see the publication
> page --
>
> also, we have here 'the muddy fork and other
things'
> (short fiction and
> nonfcition), 1991, clark city press, livingston,
mt
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:06:46 -0500 From: "Saunders, Jack
(Jack)" <
jacksaunders@lucent.com> Subject: RE: RARA-AVIS:
FLASHFIRE
It shipped from Amazon.com on Friday, November 17.
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> I see that Richard Stark's FLASHFIRE is supposed to
be out (in North
> America only, I suppose) on Tuesday, so if anyone
sees it, give a shout so
> we can hit the bookstores.
>
> There are no Stark books to be found in any of the
bookstores I frequent,
> even the big monster chains.
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:51:42 -0500 (EST) From:
DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net (Mark Sullivan) Subject: Re:
RARA-AVIS: James Crumley's short story: "Hot Springs"
I never got around to picking up Muddy Forks because it
didn't have that much I didn't already have in Whores. And I
think, but am not entirely sure, that it was rounded out with
non-fiction magazine pieces.
Penzler may also be getting around the "new short story"
technicality by exempting excerpts from works in progress. As
I recall (it's buried in a box I can't get to at the moment),
much if not all of the new fiction in Whores was chapters of
what woud become Mexican Tree Duck (the jukebox on the
traintracks chapter) and his long-awaited Texas novel. As I
noted though, this is from memory when I read it when it
first came out, so I may not be entirely accurate.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:26:28 -0600 From:
kip.stratton@ni.com Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: James
Crumley's short story: "Hot Springs"
Crumley, of course, started out as a "quality Lit" sort of
guy out of the University of Iowa Writers Workshop. As a
young man, he wrote short stories and was well acquainted
with three masters of the form, Bill Kittredge, Raymond
Carver, and Andre Dubus. But in the intro to MUDDY FORK, I
believe it was, he says something about moving away from
shorter fiction to the novel (and ultimately to crime
fiction). My guess is that the stories Dennis collected in
WHORES and those subsequently collected by Dan Gerber into
MUDDY FORK were written prior to 1973. I know some of them
had appeared in literary journals previously. Others had not
been set into type until Dennis brought out WHORES and so,
therefore, did not appear in print until the '80s, although I
suspect they were written several years earlier.
My speculation on the matter....
Later....Kip
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:49:44 -0700 From: Maura McMillan
<
mmcm@azstarnet.com> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: James
Crumley's short story: "Hot Springs"
crumley has published a number of short stories since 1973,
one of which is in penzler's anthology. in muddy fork, yes,
there are numerous short stories, or story orphans, as he
refers to them, that are being published for the first time.
that's 1991. so maybe the anthologist just got a little
carried away in his enthusiasm for the genre etc. :o)
At 01:45 AM 11/20/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Thanks for trying to help.
>
>I've read 'Whores' and it's one of the collections
of
>short stories that made me doubt about
Penzler's
>statement.
>
>I never had a look at this edition of
'Muddy
>forks...', but I suppose it harbors stories
with
>copyrights after 1973.(?)
>
>Or is it because 'Hot Springs' was an original for
the
>1996 collection and this made it special amongst
the
>publication of *books* with short stories by
Crumley?
>
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:50:48 -0700 From: Maura McMillan
<
mmcm@azstarnet.com> Subject: RE: RARA-AVIS:
FLASHFIRE
i got a copy yesterday at clues, local mystery
bookstore.
At 05:06 AM 11/20/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>It shipped from Amazon.com on Friday, November
17.
>
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>> Reply To:
rara-avis@icomm.ca
>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:54
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>> To: RARA-AVIS
>> Subject: RARA-AVIS: FLASHFIRE
>>
>> I see that Richard Stark's FLASHFIRE is supposed
to be out (in North
>> America only, I suppose) on Tuesday, so if
anyone sees it, give a shout
so
>> we can hit the bookstores.
>>
>> There are no Stark books to be found in any of
the bookstores I frequent,
>> even the big monster chains.
>>
>>
>> Bill
>> --
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>> lector.
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:56:39 -0600 From: "Mark Blumenthal"
<
blumenidiot@21stcentury.net> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS:
Grofeld
Doug Bassett :
> Oddly enough, I feel exactly the opposite. Just
read
> _The Man with the Getaway Face_ and while I liked
it,
> more or less, the whole thing left me rather
cold.
> Although I think I understand what Westlake was
trying
> to do here, I think, oddly enough, that he's
almost
> too successful doing it. Hard for me to put it
into
> words, but I actually find the Parker novels
(I've
> read a couple of others) sort of dull. I think
the
> Grofeld novels are much more entertaining --
maybe
> because Grofeld is a more appealing
character.
I like both. The character Grofield is in four or five Parker
books as well as the four only about him. Grofield is the
lighter yang to Parker's virtully unrelenting yang. This is
clear in the books that share the same first chapter,
__TheBlack Bird__ featuring Grofield and __Slayground__ with
Parker. Granted, Westlake has written about a lot of
characters who are similar to Grofield, but there is only one
Parker. I think the books succeed as a a mix between the
grimness of the Parker books and the humor of many of
Westlake's other books. Of the four I like __The Damsel__
best. Mark.
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:26:19 -0600 From: "Mark Blumenthal"
<
blumenidiot@21stcentury.net> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS:
Stark Month--What do you think of the Grofield novels?
Doug Basset again:
> I think those who like the Dortmunder Westlake
will
> tend to like the Grofeld books, and vice
versa.
>
I may be an exception in this also. I like Grofield though
I'm not crazy about the Dortmunder books, but I really like
most of Westlake's lighter books.
As long as Doug mentioned Dortmunder I'll sneak in a mention
of an author who definitely is not hard boiled. I really like
English fantasy writer Tom Holt. In one of his latest books
he takes on fairy tales and nursery rhymes. After blowing
down the Three Pigs' house, The Big Bad Wolf, sensing
danger,
"figured out long ago that true courage is the ability to
throw fear out of focus long enough to get the job done.
Through these mean glades a wolf must trot, and that was all
there was to it."
You find echoes of Chandler in unexpected places. Mark
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:18:48 -0800 From: "bearlodge"
<
bearlodge@email.msn.com> Subject: RARA-AVIS: Stark's
Slayground
Slayground is the first Stark I've read and I can't say that
I was overly impressed. I liked it enough to try another some
day but not real soon. I liked the setting, Parker and the
goods from a robbery trapped in an amusement park but I
thought the plot unfolded in a rather pedestrian way.
I'm more intrigued by the enthusiastic recommendations of
Harrington's Dark Ride and his later ones. And I have some
Jim Sallis that cries to be read.
Happy Thanksgiving to all. Eat turkey and read a good
book.
Cheers, Frank Denton
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:09:42 -0500 (EST) From:
DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net (Mark Sullivan) Subject: Re:
RARA-AVIS: Stark's Slayground
Slayground was the frst Parker I read, also. At that point,
Berkley Medallion (I think) was reissuing them with numbers
in the corner. Slayground was #1, Point Blank was #2, etc. As
you can see, the numbers had nothing to do with the original
order of publication. Anyway, Slayground is not one of my
favorite Parker books, either. It relies too much on a
gimmick, putting Parker into a confined area, then having him
react to various things and people coming at him in the
amusement park. I am far more interested in reading about
Parker acting, than reacting.
Unlike Martha, I'm a big fan of the planning and execution
sections of the series. I find these parts fascinating. The
whole book flows from trying to stick with the plan as things
go awry.
So Frank, I guess I'm saying you should give the series
another chance, possibly with The Hunter (AKA Point Blank,
AKA Payback). Although, I heartily recommend Dark Ride and,
especially, Sallis, also. I just read Eye of the Cricket and
it's my favorite in the Lew Griffin series after the
first.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:26:26 -0500 (EST) From:
DJ-Anonyme@webtv.net (Mark Sullivan) Subject: Re:
RARA-AVIS: starr
Neil wrote:
"Another guy they've got at 4W/8W is Steve Aylett, who is
working in cyberpunk hb/noir, it looks like."
Yes, Aylett is kind cyberpunk, but far less "naturalistic,"
if you can say that about a sci-fi-ish book, than Gibson,
Shirley or Jeter, for example. He is pretty high camp, in a
British mode. His first, The Crime Studio, seemed to have am
intriguing concept, a city ruled by criminals (out front, not
behind the scenes), but it was way too arch for its own good,
with very seat of the pants plotting -- hey, wouldn't it be
cool to throw this in? It has a nice momentum, but doesn't
really add up. I got bogged down in the middle of his third
(skipped the second), Slaughtermatic, some time ago and
haven't gotten back to it.
Mark
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:22:22 +0200 (EET) From: Juri
Nummelin <
jurnum@utu.fi> Subject: Re: RARA-AVIS: Stark
Month--What do you think of the Grofield novels?
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Mark Blumenthal wrote:
> Doug Basset again:
> > I think those who like the Dortmunder Westlake
will
> > tend to like the Grofeld books, and vice
versa.
> I may be an exception in this also. I like Grofield
though I'm not crazy
> about the Dortmunder books, but I really like most
of Westlake's lighter
> books.
I too like the Grofield books. I feel that in them Westlake
has found a neat balance between light humour and hard boiled
caper stuff.
Juri
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