It's always seemed to me that noir was a moveable feast, i.e. it's not necessarily crime fiction. What it seems to be is the antithesis of the 'history is written by the winners' view of the world. Noir is almost always history from the point of the losers. English noir (Patrick Hamilton, for example) is obsessed with class, because class is what drives English society - sex money and power are subservient to position. Characters in US noir are obsessed with sex, money and power for their own sakes. ******** Commercial Break (or special offer - please yourselves ******** On a previous list I introduced myself as co-editor (with my wife) of Crime Time, a UK magazine about crime fiction. If any North American Rara-avis subscribers would like to try it, you can get an issue for the cost of postage, which I'm told is $1.00 (hey, sue me if I'm wrong) to Firebird Distributing 1945 P Street Eureka CA 95501 Contact: Greg Shepard Tel 707 444 1434 Fax 707 444 8537 They are our NA distributor. In the last few issues we've had interviews with James Ellroy, Walter Mosley, Patricia Cornwell... the list goes on. Loads of book reviews, history etc. Universally praised, as they say. The latest has a very long interview with Val McDermid, Ian Rankin, Michael Connelly, Daniel Woodrell and others, but won't be over there yet. ************* Thus ends the commercial. ********************* Peter Dillon-Parkin Crime Time - # RARA-AVIS: To unsubscribe, say "unsubscribe rara-avis" # to majordomo@icomm.ca